ChastiteeSH wrote:The HfBhange has turned my favorite rogue sp (bause it is really the only one that requires even a tiny little bit ofoordination and ability to wah timers) into a joke. Bause all DPS in this game is so hard, right? That’s the main reason I hate raiding; I’m falling asleep 4-5 bosses in if I’ve already done theontent.
Overlord Theophany wrotehastiteeSH wrote:The HfBhange has turned my favorite rogue sp (bause it is really the only one that requires even a tiny little bit ofoordination and ability to wah timers) into a joke. Bause all DPS in this game is so hard, right? That’s the main reason I hate raiding; I’m falling asleep 4-5 bosses in if I’ve already done theontent. Well, I didn’t mean to imply any dps sp was even remotely diffult. I just meant that it was easier for noobsaes to fail at managing the 3 timers in mutilate than most other dps sps I’ve tried. It gave me something to laugh at the time I pugged hero VH with another mutilate rogue and wahed him let HfB drop time after time.
ChastiteeSH wrote:Overlord Theophany wrotehastiteeSH wrote:The HfBhange has turned my favorite rogue sp (bause it is really the only one that requires even a tiny little bit ofoordination and ability to wah timers) into a joke. Bause all DPS in this game is so hard, right? That’s the main reason I hate raiding; I’m falling asleep 4-5 bosses in if I’ve already done theontent. Well, I didn’t mean to imply any dps sp was even remotely diffult. I just meant that it was easier for noobsaes to fail at managing the 3 timers in mutilate than most other dps sps I’ve tried. It gave me something to laugh at the time I pugged hero VH with another mutilate rogue and wahed him let HfB drop time after time. OH GOD THE ADDITION OF ONE MORE TIMER TO A SP MAKES IT INFINITELY HARDER. Oh wait, no it doesn’t. If you fail at managing 3 timers, odds are you fail at managing 2. Edit: tually, you don’t really even have to worry about your SnD timer with a HFB sp, sie you should be spamming evisenvenom while your rupture is tking.

Shivera wrote:As impressing as most of these numbers are, they don’t add anything to the diussion when you don’t your pre pah DPS with it as imo that was the OP’s question, has the DPS been nerfed or buffed, and by how mh? It’s an obvious buff; and DP were buffed in the PPM system so that they’re viable again. HFB washanged to not be as mh of an energy drain (not that it was mh of one, anyway), and given a buff in the form of a glyph. They also buffed our armor pen. Nothingould beonsidered a nerf. Well, other than the new FoK animation (@#%^ you Blizzard, first swirly ball, now this?!)
Overlord Theophany wrote:Shivera wrote:As impressing as most of these numbers are, they don’t add anything to the diussion when you don’t your pre pah DPS with it as imo that was the OP’s question, has the DPS been nerfed or buffed, and by how mh? It’s an obvious buff; and DP were buffed in the PPM system so that they’re viable again. HFB washanged to not be as mh of an energy drain (not that it was mh of one, anyway), and given a buff in the form of a glyph. They also buffed our armor pen. Nothingould beonsidered a nerf. Well, other than the new FoK animation (@#%^ you Blizzard, first swirly ball, now this?!) The HfBhange has turned my favorite rogue sp (bause it is really the only one that requires even a tiny little bit ofoordination and ability to wah timers) into a joke. Without having to refresh HfB every 25-30 sonds, it is ridulously easy to have 100% rupture uptime without even trying and spamountless 4-5 point envenoms. And you don’t even have to worry about wahing the HfB timer at all really, bause if it drops, so what? Just put it bk up at a tiny energyost. Now any idiotan play mutilate and put up similar dps to somebody that tually knows what they are doing assuming equal gear. As quoted above, 3.1 was an obvious buff. My unbuffed dps with my semi-meh gear on the raid boss target dummy ireased from about 1900 to about 2400. I did 3400 on 10 man Pah last night, whereas the highest I previously hit on 10 man was right around 3k.

Banatu wrote:lol.. whh target dummy was this? If it was the 80 boss dummy then I have some serious work to do bause I’m pulling 3100 on it =( LOL…didn’t even know there were differees in them, so Iouldn’t be sure. Were doing Ulduar tonight, so I’ll tually get some somewhat reliable numbers.
Salwrathis, Eater of Souls wrote:LOL…didn’t even know there were differees in them, so Iouldn’t be sure. fepalm
Yeah.. I pull 3900 on the 60 dummies. More like 3100 on the boss dummy haha. Sally, you’re my hero.
Did 3k on Pah. Was 3.5k in some hero last night. Havent tually bothered to go to a test dummy and parse.
After spending the night trying out Ulduar, doing some OS, and doing Vault it looks like Mutilate has gotten a pretty substantial buff. It needs more testing for sure, but right now it seems several steps above what it used to be.
3.5k on Sarth and Pahwerk tonight.
I did 6.6k dps on XT 002 hero, mutilate sp. However there are phases in this boss where he take double damage from all attks, so its going to be higher than tank and spank. On the hero boss dummy I’m doing around 3.3k dps and 4.6k on the normal level 60 dummys. I tested HaT tonight, and our raid setup didn’t have enoughrit for it to be viable for me. XT: g.imagehost.org0266WoW…_205525.jpg
As impressing as most of these numbers are, they don’t add anything to the diussion when you don’t your pre pah DPS with it as imo that was the OP’s question, has the DPS been nerfed or buffed, and by how mh?